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Good articleThurgood Marshall has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
October 27, 2022Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 14, 2023.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that when asked by reporters why he was retiring, U.S. Supreme Court justice Thurgood Marshall replied: "What's wrong with me? I'm old. I'm getting old and coming apart"?
On this day...Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on June 13, 2004, October 2, 2009, October 2, 2010, October 2, 2014, October 2, 2023, and October 2, 2024.

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk00:23, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that when asked by reporters why he was retiring, U.S. Supreme Court justice Thurgood Marshall replied, "What's wrong with me? I'm old. I'm getting old and coming apart!"? Source: Ball, Howard (1998). A Defiant Life: Thurgood Marshall and the Persistence of Racism in America. New York: Crown Publishers. p. 379. ISBN 978-0-517-59931-0.

Improved to Good Article status by Extraordinary Writ (talk). Nominated by Unlimitedlead (talk) at 22:06, 29 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]

I thought it would be humorous and interesting to find out that Thurgood Marshall, one of the most important figures in American history, sassed reporters. Unlimitedlead (talk) 20:59, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is a good hook, for the reason User:Unlimitedlead said. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:19, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Social engineering

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Thurgood Marshall is described as engaged in Social engineering (political science). But there is no link referencing this concept to Social engineering. I recommend that a link be provided. Merriam-Webster dictionary has the definition here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social%20engineering

Discussion on Terminology: "African American" vs. "Black" in Reference to Thurgood Marshall

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Hello fellow editors,

I hope this message finds you well. I'm writing to initiate a discussion regarding the terminology used in the Thurgood Marshall article, specifically the terms "African American" and "Black."

Recent discussions and guidelines, notably those in the context of legal definitions, suggest a more nuanced approach to these terms. According to 28 CFR § 42.402 (e), as referenced in the [Cornell Law School's Legal Information Institute](https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/42.402), the definition for "Black, not of Hispanic Origin" is a person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.

Given Thurgood Marshall's significant contributions and his historical and cultural context, and he was born in American, it may be appropriate to consider if the term "Black" aligns more accurately with current understanding and definitions, rather than "African American."

This discussion aims to align our article with accurate and respectful terminology, considering both historical context and modern legal definitions. I believe it is important to address this in light of evolving understandings of ethnic identities.

I invite all editors to provide their insights and opinions on this matter. Should we consider revising the article to replace instances of "African American" with "Black" in accordance with the federal law definition as stated in 28 CFR § 42.402?

Looking forward to a constructive and respectful discussion.

Best regards, Sleeplessmason (talk) 16:31, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Manual of Style doesn't give any advice on this particular question, so it's just left to editors' discretion. The article does use both "black" and "African American" in places; typically I just opted for the term that was clearest and read most naturally in context. It's not a hill I'm going to die on, but I don't see a strong reason to get rid of a term that is frequently used in reliable sources and unambiguously conveys the intended meaning. If your concern is about the term generally rather than this article specifically, you might consider bringing it up at WT:MOS, although I expect editors there would say that both terms are acceptable. Note that Wikipedia's style doesn't always match what US government regulations use: typically style guides and reliable sources more generally are given greater weight. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 02:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with EW, and I'll add that I'm not understanding the argument. Other parts of the federal code use African American synonymously with Black. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Birth date

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Everyone, I don't know how to add a section to the talk page, so sorry for the inconvenience. The Wikipedia article states that Marshall was born on July of 1902, but a government article states that he was born one month earlier.[1]Also, this is the best that I can cite, link is here: https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/justice-thurgood-marshall-profile-brown-v-board — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:249:A00:8C30:3BAA:4756:6B06:4F08 (talkcontribs) 18:29, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. It looks like this is just a mistake by uscourts.gov: nearly all other online sources use the July date, and all five of the five print books I checked do too. I'm going to send them a message asking them to correct the error, but either way our article should follow the overwhelming majority of sources and use the July date. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ ---, ---. Justice Thurgood Marshall Profile - Brown v. Board of Education Re-enactment. U.S.A Courts https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/justice-thurgood-marshall-profile-brown-v-board. Retrieved 16 January 2024. {{cite web}}: |last1= has numeric name (help); Missing or empty |title= (help)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2024

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he was born 1907 40.130.101.194 (talk) 16:17, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: the sources support 1908. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sainthood

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Thurgood Marshall is celebrated as a saint in the anglican communion and his wikipedia page should reflect this. 2601:98A:B7F:E6F0:A5A0:3C74:9E75:8EB (talk) 22:11, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]